The Paasche H and #3 needle are well suited to model car finishes though, I use one a lot for that or base coats, priming etc. The paint thinning process needs to be handled with care because oil, latex, lacquer and enamel based paints can require different paint thinners and treatment for optimum results. It's always best to use the correct and recommended additive and reducers with any paint products. Don't use lacquer thinner. Mineral spirits or paint lacquer thinner … which is better? Not my experience nor several model car builders experience who post to you tube. It's adjustment range is much finer and over a broad range by comparison to the H. No, lacquer thinner is a stronger solvent. Turpentine is not good as a cleaner, it remains sticky on the surface, mineral spirits works fine to clean surfaces. I did not have much hope for it but, gave it a try anyway. The latter are sometimes compatible with enamel systems, and are sometimes effective as universal cleaning agents. Check paint container labels for the manufacturer's recommended paint to paint thinner ratio. Compare; Find My Store. Right out of the gate turpentine is derived from pine resin ( and it smells it too) and mineral spirits from petroleum ( and it smells it, like kerosene actually). The main difference between thinners and reducers is in the paint type that is being applied. Likewise, can you use acetone to thin polyurethane? You will need to choose the appropriate thinner or lacquer to mix with the type of auto paint you will be using. Yes you can thin enamel paints with lacquer thinner. Some lacquer thinners are sold specifically for clean up while others can be solely for thinning. 10-30-2008, 01:38 PM #4 I have read on some other forums of cutting Tamiya acrylics with laquer thinner to shoot the paint easier and not allow the nozzle to dry up. Lacquer thinner can cause damage to plastic and rubber as well. Thin-X Latex Paint Thinner). I put laquer thinner into my pot of enamel, which was a VERY expensive enamel as well... Needless to say, it turned into cottage cheese almost immediately... By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. For example, some European companies refer to reducers as thinners, which can be very confusing. Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Did not like it. What are the advantages? They have a milky appearance rather than water-clear. If you want to dilute a gallon of single-stage urethane paint by 5 percent then you'll need to multiply 0.05 by 128. It is a generic blend of solvents—anything from mostly alcohol (original lacquers were alcohol soluble) to a very esoteric blend. Often you come across great ideas on the forums. The result is 6.4, so you should measure 6.4 liquid oz. Lacquer thinner in enamel is popular for painting model cars. Reducers are used for urethane-based paints. If you want the utmost best results out of your paint, I’d recommend you go with the thinner that is made by, & recommended by the same company of the paint you use. My first experience with laquer thinner wasn't a good one.. I let my enamel that was thinned using lacquer thinner dry about 2 weeks. Excellent video, quite a few who "espouse" the dearest internal mix airbushes, should  take a look at what can be achieved with just a very ordinary el-cheapo external mix airbrush. When speaking of lacquer thinner, is this the same as mineral spirits or is it something different? I've never had any of the problems listed above. one can use Naptha to thin and speed up enamel drying time. Model #GJLT130. A urethane reducer would probably be a bit risky, but I've done complete paint jobs and a ton of assorted parts with acrylic enamel using lacquer thinner as a reducer. I've come across quite a few mentions of folks using lacquer thinner to thin enamel for spraying through an airbrush. These additives make the paint flow better so the result is even, professional coats. A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing…. For example, if one or more of the solvents in the blend causes de-linking of the binder polymer, it will reduce viscosity, possibly produce a thinner coating, but the polymer may never fully cross-link, producing a more fragile coating. But the question is why? The calculations for measuring your thinner involve simple multiplication. This combo can often be cured enough to mask over without fear of pulling the fresh paint off within minutes - usually by the time I've cleaned the airbrush to accept the next color.. From then on I stick to brand name thinners for the appropriate paint. Find a Store Near Me. It’s important that we use Tamiya’s brand of lacquer thinners as it’s specifically designed to be used on plastic models and the like, and will not eat the plastic away. View our, Tools, Techniques, and Reference Materials, From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois. He is a mortgage specialist with over 12 years of experience as well as an expert in financing, credit, budgeting and real estate. Old Hans is long gone from around here.A great and helpful contributer,he is missed.I think he is okay,I think I heard computer issues,I don't know if he posts anywhere else. I've never used laquer thinner anywhere near enamels since.. Just as a cleaner.. Item #622049. For acrylics I use denatured alcohol period. Typically used with a good sized nozzle and fairly high pressure, you just keep blasting till done. This thinner offers medium to fast drying time. Add more acetone or more Rust-Oleum to make the mixture thicker or thinner, measuring the amount you add. It is a generic blend of solvents—anything from mostly alcohol (original lacquers were alcohol soluble) to a very esoteric blend. To separate these out, refiners boil the crude and pass the vapors through distillation tubes in a procedure known as fractional distillation. Thinners are for lacquer-based paints. Depending on what solvents are in your lacquer thinner, they may change the behavior of the binder, but that effect is as likely to be negative as it is positive. If i where to guess it, its because the lacquer thinner breaks up the pigment better than the mineral spirets. Reducers are used for urethane-based paints. Both can thin enamels such as alkyd enamels but not suggested for acrylic enamels. That’s its own animal altogether. We sell industrial formulations of acetone and eco-friendly paint thinning agents, among solvents for many other specific or general uses. Each brand of automotive paint will come with instructions on which solvent to use and what the mixing requirements are for the paint and solvent. It is very important that the solvent selected matches with the manufacturer's recommendations for which solvents to use, including using the right proportions and taking into consideration various environmental situations, such as hot or humid weather. However, I once tried mineral spirits as a thinner. Although, I use the cheap stuff from Wal Mart (Kleen Strip brand). It gives you fast wet coat that doesn't sag or run very easy with a super shine and no orange peel. Advertisement These items are sold at any hardware supply store. Lacquer thinner is intended to thin lacquers, which dry, rather than cure. You NEVER put lacquer thinner in enamel. In short it works and it doesn't do all the nasty things mentioned above in what ever post it was. Then again, sometimes you come across ideas that seem like they are more trouble than they are worth. The common paint thinner is turpentine. Crude is a mixture of hydrocarbon chains of various lengths and structures with unique boiling points. of thinner. Thinners and reducers in automotive paints are both solvents used to thin paint. To me it's more a matter of cost and convience. Can't think of one. Premium Enamel Thinner. So what this fella is saying, is you can achieve phenominal results, without having to spend heaps of dollars on an airbrush, that just aint worth all those dollars. i know this is an old thread, but I’m willing to bet you were using acrylic single-stage enamel. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. Which means SWMBO is happy and I've got more money to spend on kits & AM. I love "out of the box" thinking. He mentioned doing metalizer paints with the H and you can but I use a Badger 200 and fine needle personally and see a difference. This test will involve taking Tamiya acrylic paint and thinning one portion with Tamiya X20-A acryrlic thinners, and another portion of paint thinned with Tamiya lacquer thinners. Thanks for the replies guys. Secondly, can you use lacquer thinner on car paint? Some symptoms that the solvent used was incorrectly matched to the paint include poor gloss and adhesion, dullness, chalking, cracks or splits, blisters, sanding swell, blushing or bleed-through of color. Write down the amount you add so when the viscosimeter reads correctly or the paint performs the way you want in the spray gun, you can thin future batches by the same amount. Thinners are for lacquer-based paints. It does make a great cleaner. It's smoother and a finer mist coming out. Always test new thinners with different brands of paints just to make sure they work. I use it to wipe down the paint cup, needle and outside of my airbrush no matter what paint I'm using. I can buy a gallon of lacquer thinner or automotive enamel reducer for a heck of a lot less than than I can buy the equivalent amount of OEM thinner at a hobby shop. I've got both a hardware and a lumberyard that stock the thinner and an automotive supply store that carries the reducer - all within less than 5 minutes from my house. It's repeatable, I've done it myself. The process of refining crude oil to produce gasoline, kerosene and other fuels also yields a number of other products, including solvents. 32-fl oz Slow to Dissolve Linseed Oil. Link ... 128-fl oz Fast to Dissolve Lacquer Thinner. The fixes for each symptom are time-consuming and require you to use more paint to complete the job correctly. If you’re not sure, and you need to know the difference between acetone and paint thinner for your specific applications, the chemists at Ecolink can help. It sometimes works in very small quantities but it's in the acetone family and may not be compatible with the flavor of enamel you have. Of the three it’s also the most toxic, so make sure that you are in a well-ventilated area as well as using a mask when handling lacquer. Using one kind of thinner for a different purpose may cause the surface of your furniture to worsen. Just remember he's hosing down a car body there. For example, if the paint is an enamel-based product, do not use a thinner, … Faster drying time? It is a VERY good thinner for acrylics and I thin Tamiya paints wtih LT for airbrushing in particular. The paint will tell you explicitly whether a thinner or a reducer should be used to thin the paint. The SCA Multi-Purpose Thinner is suitable for thinning lacquer paints and primers as well as cleaning spray equipment and paint brushes. A Paasche H is capable enough but if you want really fine lines with a super atomized mist coming out you might want to look at something else. Today I laid out a coat of lacquer on it. Closest hobby shop is a minimum of 1 hr round trip plus the cost of the gas. While the term mineral spirits could mean any of a number of materials, in a hardware store it usually means turpentine. Other than the price, the differences between the two solvents are subtle: Both are petroleum products. Example of Lacquer paint are Mr.Color and Modo paint. The latter are sometimes compatible with enamel systems, and are sometimes effective as universal cleaning agents. I use lacquer thinner for enamels as well as lacquer based paints. However, you can thin many acrylics with Lacquer Thinner. 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