Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. vs. .458 Lott• 7mm Rem. Same with all the short action chamberings vs similar, but longer cartridges. Over 2900fps with a 140 accubond. 280 Ackley Improved Load Data; 7mm Winchester Short Magnum Load Data; 7mm Remington Magnum Load Data; 7mm Weatherby Magnum Load Data; 7mm Shooting Times Westerner (STW) Load Data ... 7mm (7x57) 7mm-08 Rem. The .30-06, and its older brother the .30-03, were necked up and down to hold bullets of many different diameters—think about the famous .270 Winchester, .25-06 Remington and .35 Whelen—but Remington released their .280 Remington in 1957. I can't say anything about the .270 Winchester that hasn't already been written unless I lie. I must say I'm a little surprised that an innocent little thread like this contains so many fierce defenses of one cartridge against another. Apologies. I need the boards input 7x57 Improved (40 degree) Vs standard 280 Remington. The answer is that one fits in to a short action and the other gives you about an extra 100 to 150 FPS±. ; 7mm Ultra Mag. .257 Rigby/7x57 Mauser.257 Rigby is what British gunmakers called the 7x57 at one time. Not sure if you're in the USA or if you buy factory ammo, but if that matters I'd say the 7x57 wins that battle. … 280 Ack Imp. I have owned(and still do) plenty of 7x57,7mm-08 as well as .280 Remington. Last edited: Jun 9, 2018. The .280 is an excellent shooter, I don't recollect anyone here having one that doesn't love theirs, mine include. The switch would later be made to the 139-grain spitzer bullet at a much higher velocity, though the heavier bullet—and the Mauser rifle—made the 7x57mm Mauser’s reputation in the hunting fields. I shoot 140s out of my .280 and have killed two bulls. vs. .340 Wby. Joined Jun 30, 2017 Messages 115 Location Austin, TX. March 20, 2020. … There is a long list of cartridges that spawned from other cartridges that became phenomenal creations. Wage war across the galaxy with three unique and powerful races. I am an idiot who needs sleep. Posted: Tue … Wildcats be wildcats. It was developed by Paul Mauser of the Mauser company in 1892 and adopted as a military cartridge by Spain in 1893. With the 7mm-08 rounds, the top performing round only has 295 inches of bullet drop while another has 435 inches. Jump to Latest Follow vs. .284 Win. were included in that article, but could not match the four short list cartridges in the area of availability of rifles and ammunition (read popularity). Both the 7x57 and 280 are capable of somewhat higher pressures than this. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … 7x57 or 280 Remington. Two classic 7mm cartridges, both with well-established reputations as all-around choices for general big game hunting, and both with a fair number of devotees. It will offer a velocity advantage of about 300 fps or so over the 7x57mm Mauser with most bullet weights, and the most popular choice for the .280 Remington seems to be the 140-, 150- and 160-grain slugs. Largest internet ammo dealer shows 12 options for 7x57 loaded ammunition and 6 options in stock. par D-mon » 10 Fév 2005 01:26 . 270 vs 280 vs 280 AI vs 7mm Rem Mag Ammo Selection. Check it out! Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. 100 yard Ballistic Gel testing a 140gn Core-Lokt bullet. The 7x57 is one of my favorite Bushveld calibers but might be a bit to slow if you planning to take some of long shots at game. The 280 should beat it by a bit, but not much. My favorite rifle is a 7x57. (The 7x57 was designed for 175 grain bullets and the 6.5x55 for 160 grain bullets.) vs. .300 WSM• .223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: EmediaHunter@nrahq.org, For questions/comments about American Hunter magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org, You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. Mag. Everything else being equal, what is the velocity differential between the 280 and 7x57 using reasonable maximum loads in a modern action? Last year I contracted for a custom 7x57 built by Mike McCabe (z1r). EVOSTRIKE VS TIPSTRIKE in ballistic gelatin Test: Which hunting bullet suits you? Factory 7x57 loads typically run from 139 to 175 grains, so Hornady's 150-grain ELD-X and 162-grain ELD Match appeared perfectly suited for this. Thread Tools . Reactions: WVgoodguy22. Not trying to make any ground-breaking statements here, but something occurred to me when I was chrono-ing some loads yesterday, which is that my short-action … The .280 Remington retains the same 17-degree 30-minute shoulder of the .30-06 but uses the 2.54-inch case of the .30-03 Springfield. IIRC, his findings were, due to the twist rate of the military barrel he used, rather displeasing as he was having a hard time finding an accurate load for his rifle; especially with lighter bullets. 280 Remington. To be honest, this is more of a personal, i.e. Mag.• .375 Ruger vs. .375 H&H Magnum• 7mm-08 Remington vs. .280 Remington• .280 Remington vs. .280 Ackley Improved• 7mm vs. .30 Caliber• 6.5 Weatherby RPM vs. 6.5 PRC• .338 Win. The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. While all four are pretty commonly available, the .270 Winchester and the 7mm Remington Magnum are by far the most popular out of the bunch. The .35 I’d reserve for the last three, while the others require no more than the other options. Latest. We've got you covered.• .300 Win. vs .280 Rem. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … vs. .300 Wby. I like the Norma 156-grain Oryx load at a muzzle velocity of 2641 fps, as that bullet had proven to be wonderfully accurate and I’m a fan of that bullet’s terminal performance. Can you can get a 7x57 160 loaded 2,850 to 2,900 fps? If hunting CXP2 game is your primary consideration, these four are exemplary cartridges, regardless of COL. With the Hornady Custom .275 Rigby load 140-grain load moving at 2680 fps, it will still retain over 1,000 ft-lbs at the 400-yard mark. vs .280 Rem. Taking the nostalgia out of the equation, the .280 Remington makes more sense, or perhaps I should say is more versatile for the one-gun hunter. Long before it was used in the war it was the standard hunting rifle of many farmers. Some may say that the pair have both seen better days, with the 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved and 28 Nosler seeming more attractive to new hunters and shooters. 1941 270: 1895 7x57: _____ Ray. So, like the 7x57, the .280 Remington is at its best as a handloader's cartridge. The 30-06 is a fine round and tough to beat as a do all cartridge. Effective Game Killing Cartridge of the month: 300 Winchester Magnum Inspiration Show all Inspiration 10 tips for hunters in quarantine Wild Berlin - Hunting in urban areas Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away”. I think alot goes back to when the 280 was a wildcat rd 7mm/06 and the 30-06 is 60kPSI they just kept it the same pressure level. Cartridge Fight: .270 Win. It shot good as a 7x57 and still shoots good as a 280 Rem, but the difference is not noticable downrange, since I reload. 284 Win. Wow, what great bullet. The longer .280 Remington and other similar capacity cartridges actually add little killing power, but their increased recoil and muzzle blast make it seem as if they do. To simplify the question, the .270 holds more powder and it can shoot the same weigh bullets. Same with a 7-08 vs a 270 or 280. I find no bad or negative comments written on either cartridge. But this isn’t due to it being chambered in weak, older rifles. The 7x57 produces velocities around 100 to 150fps slower than the .270 and .280 Remington and in doing so, tends to produce mild recoil (in suitably fitting rifles). Richard Mann tries to defend his beloved 308 Winchester against the ballistically superior 7mm-08 Remington championed by Ron Spomer. The 7x57, 7mm-08, 6.5x55 and .260 can handle bullets ranging from about 100-160 grains very effectively. Planetcat, Jun 7, 2018. Shaw and just have your Ruger rebarreled to another 7x57 or to 280. Palouser Post subject: Re: 7x57 or 7x57 AI. The Contestants. Mag. It shot good as a 7x57 and still shoots good as a 280 Rem, but the difference is not noticable downrange, since I reload. Apr 26, 2017 #5 STOMP442 said: Just finished building a 7x57 Ackley on a squared up Mauser 98 with a 26" Benchmark #4 9 twist barrel. 280 Rem. That’s not the point, or at least it shouldn’t be whenever one hears the 7mm vs 30 caliber argument. Mag.• .300 RSAUM vs. .300 WSM• .500 Jeffrey vs. .505 Gibbs• 7mm RUM vs. .300 RUM• .308 Winchester vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. .260 Remington• .303 British vs. 8x57 Mauser• .30-06 Springfield vs. All Other .30s• .17 HMR vs. .17 WSM• .450 Nitro Express vs. .470 Nitro Express• 350 Legend vs. .35 Remington• .280 Ackley Improved vs. 7mm Rem. They share the same case head diameter, and though the Springfield case is longer, there is no denying the resemblance. Bolt Action Rifles Sponsored by Camera Land.280 vs. 7x57 . Using a rimless, bottlenecked case measuring 57mm (2.244 inches) and a bullet diameter of 7.25mm (0.284 inches)—the land diameter is where the 7mm moniker is derived—the Mauser design used a 173- to 175-grain round nose bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2300 fps. In this case 270 vs 280, I have no idea why the 280 was created. Reactions: Gb300wm, DHuffman and Mulligan. However, many gunwriters and hunters alike quietly went about loving the way the .280 Remington performed. I realise that this is probably no right or wrong answer to this, but it would be good to hear from users of either calibre. Survival. The 7x57mm Mauser is the brainchild of Peter Paul Mauser, developed in 1892, and was adopted by the Spanish Military a year later. One .270 Win round only has 280 inches of bullet drop at this range while another has 444 inches of bullet drop. - DrMike. Re: 500Whisper Vs 12,7x57 Anthis. Killing a bull cleanly takes a good cartridge. The Berger 180-grain VLD Target, Hornady 180-grain ELD Match, Sierra 183-grain MatchKing and Berger 195-grain EOL Elite Hunter have impressive BCs, but I was concerned whether the old 7x57 could drive the heavier bullets fast enough. I would not expect much difference at equal peak pressures. It is a flat-shooting cartridge, and though it does have more recoil than does the Mauser, it’s very user-friendly. The 7x57 mm is neither wildly popular nor widely available, but neither is the .280 Rem. The case capacity and velocities generated by the .280 Remington make is a great choice for those who want the capability to take elk at 400 yards, bear over bait at 40 yards, and everything in between. Go. You may contacxt E.R. Can you can get a 7x57 160 from 2,850 to 2,900 fps? I’m talking 7mm-08 vs. .308; .280 Rem. Looking for some pet loads for the 160-168 class of bullets. Factory specifications for a 7mm MAuser are worthless comparisons to the handloader who is the only person to realize the potentioal of this case size. In a longer tube the extra case capacity of the 280 allows more of the slow burning stuff. Introduced in 1925, the .270 is a necked-down .30-06 that holds .277 diameter bullets. DrMike Post subject: Re: 7x57 or 7x57 AI. 7mm-08 vs 270, some thoughts. Check it out! Tomahawks Are Back: These American Relics Have Seen a Resurgence in Military and Survival Situations. I have built customer's rifles in both calibers, shot them. 01 October 2011, 00:40. Still- kind of surprised the differences aren't even greater. Another very underrated cartridge with limited demand. Bell took over 1,000 elephants in his career, and a good percentage of them were with a .275 Rigby and 175-grain solid (non-expanding) bullets. .280 holds about 10 gr more powder whiich I would say equates to 140-150 fps. Joined: Sep 8, 2005 Messages: Nov 14, 2017 Reactions: WVgoodguy22. They are the same cartridge, sort of like the .244 Remington/6MM Remington and the 7MM Express Remington/.280 Remington. I load for my sister's 7x57, and RL-17 has given some great velocity in that case. vs. .300 Win. Mine is now a .280 Imp-Imp, but it shot extemely well before the rechamber, I've only fired start loads to fire form in it so far, but even those shot mostly insdie of 2" shooting 5 shots groups as fast as I could reload, let it cool and do it again for 50 rounds! I've got months to find a round that shoots well out of my .308, but October will be here quick. I love them all but if pushed to pick a favorite it would be the 7x57 hands down. Try Reloaders. Privacy Policy • Contact Us • Warnings • FAQs • © 2020 National Rifle Association of America, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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